The Big Sale, Round 1...
From the original Analog Industries archive. Some links and images from that era no longer resolve.
I’m clearing out stuff I don’t need / use / appreciate in preparation for a new series of projects. Most of it isn’t synth related, and thus won’t get posted here. However, there are two items might be of interest to AI readers:
1. Eventide H8000FW. I know, I know. I just don’t use it enough to warrant owning it. It deserves to be in a home where someone will appreciate it. US$3000. I bought it straight from Eventide, and it has never met cigarette smoke or a stage. It has a little rack rash in the usual spots, and the LCD screen has a little tiny blotch in the upper right hand corner. This doesn’t affect the unit in the slightest (which is why I haven’t bothered replacing it) but Eventide will send you a new one for freebies if you’re the sort that gets sent around the bend by this kind of thing.
2. BurnSmart 1-to-7 tower CD/DVD duplicator. This is the model that immediately precedes the current 1-to-7 they sell. It is not the E-SATA version, but rather the IDE one. We only used it a couple times. One side has a little scrape from shoving it in next to another computer, but otherwise it is as new. It has an internal HD to store up to 20 disk images, so if you’re a label or whatever, you can just put in an image, then burn at will. I’m thinking $200 for this, but if you can make a reasonable case for your need, I can consider offers. Ditto on the shipping, and this fucker is on the heavy side. Imagine a normal tower PC with 8 optical drives in it, and you’ll have a good idea of what it weighs and how annoying it will be to ship.
Drop me a line if you’re interested in either of these things. If they’re still here, they’re still available.
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So with that $3k in the bank, does that mean a PC3K will soon be on the way? Man, can't believe you are selling the H8000FW...
I just don't use it for anything but simple delays and shit any more. It has a real particular sound, and my head isn't in that space currently. I will no doubt regret it immensely, but it's how I do. I don't let myself get complacent with my gear, else I end up making the same shit every day.
I'm thinking a Kyma system might be in my future, actually.
-CR
I strongly recommend a Kyma system.
"Sorry about the you not having any teeth thing, Uncle Chris was selling his H8000FW."
What is the H8000 sound, if you don't mind taking about 90 seconds to describe it? Never bought one of the beasties.
Well, it sounds a little like _this_ and a bunch like _that_ and oftentimes it will sound like _that other thing_.
Honestly, are you asking for a subjective opinion of something like this? It sounds like an H8000, which is just like an H7500 only twice, or just like a DSP4500 except considerably moreso. It sounds like an Eventide multi-FX.
-CR
H8000 is a beast. it sounds great. soooo many presets and sooo many ways to edit things and make them your own. but it is a big deal. it is hard to ignore. it's not just that it's expensive.. it's that it is sort of like having 500 really awesome plug ins sitting in a box and they're totally customizable and offer unparalleled routing and direct connection to your computer...
and, if you are so inclined and don't mind getting your hands dirty and spending a good chunk of time doing so, you can roll your own algorithms using Vsig. it isn't easy.. it isn't straight forward.. it's got its idiosyncrasies but Vsig is there if you want it.
it's a girlfriend that wants a lot of attention.. hard to ignore.. but if you do give her the attention she needs she do all those things to you that you dreamed about when you were 14.
Kyma is kind of similar only it's a girlfriend who shows up at your place at midnight and her dress already half off and she's got 3 or 4 vodka tonics in her but she's wearing some really really complicated lingerie.
already sold? you should have asked for more $$$$ ;)
Earlier I was going to post something about how I'd often wondered how you could justify an H8000, but I figured you were doing something really special with it. I've only used the H3000/3500, and mostly only for the micro pitchshift and a couple of other things, nothing that remotely means I need to own one.
Then you wrote about the Kyma and I have to admit that I've thought many times about buying one, even though I would realistically only be able to scrape together about 1/10 of the justification I'd have for the Eventide.
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Thanks boobs... now pondering how to wrangle a three-way with Kyma and H8000...
I assumed you used the 8000 for R&D.
I really want one someday. It seems like a box you can run just about any pitch through and get a steamy ambient space. Maybe I'll rent one some weekend, though that hardly seems like enough time to get through it.
Yeah. There are a couple thousand presets alone. It took me about a month to go through them all and test them.
Yes, we bought them principally for R&D. Now that I've done all the R, it is really just taking up room in my rack, as I don't really make ambient soundscapes, nor do I like putting pitch warbling effects on my vocals. I'm gonna get an API2500, which I will use a lot more, and move this on to a home that will use it to its potential.
-CR
API 2500 is awesome. i had use of one for a while and it really is a magic thing. i tracked through it, put on the mix bus, drum bus.. everything. it's an awesome box.
I'm with boobs.
I always savor the opportunities to honestly use the IWB button.
Everything that's been said about the H8000 pretty much jibes with my opinion of it. It's one of two pieces of gear that I can't really see ever selling, or at least not until I go deaf or something. The other item is my modular synth; they make a good pair. OTOH CR and I have different tastes and methodologies, and I'm far more in need of something that can make ambient soundscapes than he is. I'll also admit to still having a serious weakness for esoteric DSP boxes; e.g. the H8000 is racked just below a mint-condition STS-282, the ongoing ownership of which defies rational explanation.
A Kyma, though... I dunno. I've never actually used one but I literally read the book on them. It's an interesting system but somehow it doesn't call to me, or at least not loudly enough for me to pony up the $.
--Adam
Adam & CR: So, what does the H8000 offer that you can't get in Max/MSP? Is it the low-level modules, the patches themselves (i.e. how the modules are arranged), or both? Could you put together a series of Max/MSP subpatchers (or whatever the hell you call objects in Max/MSP that are made from lower level objects) that recreate the H8000 vSig modules, or is there too much going on in there to tackle outside of C++?
Well, it would help to have 30 years of incredibly advanced DSP IP and the ability to use it to make musically useful tools. I think after that, the environment doesn't really matter much.
But that said, sure, you could make any H8000 algorithm in Max. Provided Max didn't explode first. "Highly optimized" isn't a phrase used to describe Max very often, and the thought of trying to make an 8-channel reverb in it that runs at 96/24 and actually sounds good... well... no.
-CR
Sean: from a computer-science-theoretical standpoint, obviously anything that can be built in an H8000 can also be built in Max/MSP, assuming that you're willing to resort to writing custom MSP objects in C when you run into MSP's limitations. (MSP has very few objects that can operate on anything smaller than a vector of samples, and all objects communicate with vectors of samples.) From a practical standpoint, an H8000 is to Max/MSP as a Maserati is to the inventory of a NAPA store. Yes, you can build it yourself, but only if you have a huge amount of time and the IP and skills that CR mentioned. You'd still end up with a system that lacked the 1000-odd presets in the H8000. Depends on what you're trying to accomplish and where your interests lie, I guess. Given that my job is writing DSP code and my hobby is music, I'd rather spend my free time driving a Maserati than building a Yugo, to stretch the metaphor.
--Adam
A Paca just popped up on the 'bay...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260829032254+&clk_rvr_id=252600430447
so, what's in "the big sale round 2"?
@boobs: Your mom!
Cheap shot, I know. But it had to be said.
-CR
she does make a wicked pot pie.
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