Samplin' Fool...
From the original Analog Industries archive. Some links and images from that era no longer resolve.
I’m doing a fairly monstrous sample set of this alphaSyntauri, and now that I’m in the thick of things with Kontakt (I’m doing it all in Kontakt 2 for compatibility’s sake; it seem that many more people own 2 than 3) I’m at a crossroads.
As I implied in the previous thread, I don’t just get little snippets when I’m sampling. I generally mine the entirety of any given sound, or at least enough so that whatever cycle the synth is doing with its envelopes and such can be replicated. Obviously, using a sampler like Kontakt allows a lot to be done after the fact, and my question is thus:
When you buy a sample set, do you want just the raw samples laid out as if you were at the real thing, or would you prefer instruments that perhaps extend the capabilities of a given sample set, yet utilize the features of the host sampler? Personally, I figure they’re there to be used, and I wouldn’t have thought anything of using the envelopes and filters in my dearly departed Emax II. How is Kontakt or ESX24 different?
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in the case of vintage and rare instruments, i want the real thing presented as true as possible. i also want the real thing taken past its original limitations into someplace new. if the programmer doesn't take it there, i am happy to.
Ummm, I've sampled a synth before, but only so I could sync envelopes to a host. The end result unfortunately sounded like the sampler, not the synth...
Anyways, I guess I'm not you're target customer here but I'd probably prefer big slabs of raw audio that let the synth's filters, envelopes, arp and other whatnot shine. Then I'd carve up the goodness myself. I'd probably not want keymapped individual notes - but each to their own, mebbe I've not got the touch to do that bit convincingly.
Apologies for being no help here. :)
i'd want a little of everything. kontakt is so easy to edit and get in and manipulate things that even w/multi sampled instruments you can easily change the sound completely into something else or at least put your own stamp on it. i think making something usable from the get go is important but i don't want everything handed to me.
also, i kind of like the idea of using the synth's envelopes filters and whatever.. it's fun to go to extreme pitches on play back and hear how it all plays out.. sometimes that is just what a song needs.. and it can be dun to have to mess w/the pitch to get it to fit in to the tempo of a track.
I'm with boobs in general. When I get a sample collection, I like some good general indicators of the instrument, but if the company is known for their programming chops, it's nice to get a slew of cool shit that extends on that base. (Both Soniccouture and Puremagnetik are good at that.)
I think that's the tack I'll pursue, unless someone else has a blinding piece of insight they haven't shared with us.
-CR
I agree with boobs as well.
Yep, boobs and CR, I'm prone to agree in this instance.
...how many more ways can we say "+1"? :)
Argh. Kontakt 4 just announced. Fuck.
-CR
I want everything handed to me. I want to load the samples and get a ready-to-use instrument. I would rather have an instrument that's better than the real thing than one that's authentic but unplayable.
But as you already figured out, you can offer both without adding to the download size.
didn't you notice the big sale on Komplete a little while back? Always a clue that Native Instruments has big updates coming out...
-wgp
Jeff brings up a good point, inasmuch as an instrument like the alphaSyntauri (or virtually anything that is worth the trouble of sampling and not just acquiring) is fairly limited in its skillset, and might not be the best accent to modern productions. The Syntauri, for instance, has no filter nor pitch envelope; these things are easily supplied by Kontakt, or virtually any other top-line sample engine these days.
-CR
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